My fellow Mets fans,
Tonight we gather neither in triumph nor in joy. Rather, we have assembled out of necessity, driven by the need to oppose a deep-seated evil. Tonight we must make choices that will not sit well with any of us. Tonight we must make choices between unpalatable courses of action. Tonight we must do what many of us, in all honor, once swore we would not.
These are not easy times. We have been bested on the field of battle and outmaneuvered in the arena of ideas. Our fires have been banked, damped by misfortune and miscalculation. For now, our yesterdays are brighter than our tomorrows. We may mourn that we have come to this pass, yet we stand here nonetheless.
And here, stand we must. We have proven unfit to play a role in the combat about to unfold before us. Yet this grim judgment, however impartial its verdict, must not lead us to reject our larger calling, or to turn aside from our unhappy duty. We are bystanders, yet our voices must be heard. We are reluctant, yet we must commit.
We have profound differences with our league-mates to the south. It would be the stuff of childish fantasy not to acknowledge this. We abhor their Hawaiian braggadocio. We reject their penchant for domestic violence. We disdain the partisan yowling of their maroon rabble. To offer them fellowship runs counter to all we profess and everything we hold dear. We are neither friends nor allies. It is only wisdom to state this clearly, calmly and without apology.
Yet wisdom is nothing without a sense of proportion. We must not profess blindness citing the mote in our eye, while ignoring the beam that would blot out the light for all. Our neighborly disagreements are profound and the canyon between us is deep. Yet deeper still lies the chasm into which we now both stare.
My friends, there is another evil loose in our nation, one that makes the misdeeds of our league-mates in maroon look small. We have a greater enemy, and a higher calling. This greater enemy gilds all that it touches in gold, then scorns those who can afford only brass. This greater enemy gathers mercenaries and reprobates and evildoers to its banner, and declares them paragons. This greater enemy declares that pitchers shall not hit. This greater enemy conflates arrogance with tradition, and bequeathed wealth with hard-earned success. This greater enemy is attended by a howling mob that knows neither reason nor humility nor decency.
This greater enemy cares not for our disagreements and disputes, real though they are. Twenty-six times has this foe bred a vile plague, one that reduced our nation to lifelessness and blighted all that we hold dear. Though we are not allowed to fight, neither are we required to adjourn in silence. We must lift our voices against tyranny, though we would have chosen most any other champion. We must shout down injustice, though our voices cannot conjure fairness. We must oppose a great evil even if it means supporting a paltry good. We have been called, and however reluctantly, we must answer. It has fallen to us to do what must be done, and to heed a summons we would pretend not to hear.
My friends, this too will pass, and the banner of the blue and orange will fly once again in triumph. I eagerly await that day, and the restoration of all that is just and proper. As do all of you. But for now, we must serve a more difficult cause, and we must do so with all we can wring from our reluctant hearts. This is necessity. This is obligation. This is duty.
My friends, the conflict we wish had never come to pass is upon us now. Join with me. Say the words we would rather bite back. Say them firmly, and clearly, with loud voices, though none of us possesses a glad heart. Say them with me now, and we will face these difficult days together.
ICH BIN EIN PHILLIE.
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Address to Reluctant Mets Fans
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Anonymous
on Wed 21 Oct 2009 11:58 PM EDT | Permanent Link
I cannot join you in this campaign, JF.
Anyone - anyone - but the Phillies. -Z Re: Address to Reluctant Mets Fans
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hsimms
on Wed 21 Oct 2009 11:59 PM EDT | Profile | Permanent Link
The Skanks are evidence that Satan lives.
Go Philthies Re: Address to Reluctant Mets Fans
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Anonymous
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 12:00 AM EDT | Permanent Link
i don't even see what's difficult about this
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dykstraw
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 12:01 AM EDT | Permanent Link
(that was me)
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Anonymous
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 10:48 AM EDT | Permanent Link
if you were a true met fan you would understand that 26 times is too many, to live in the shadow of the yankees, i could never and will never support them, i shunned that bandwagon in the midst of the 96' world series when i was only 7 years old. the verbal abuse i had to take from my family, my friends, everyone who is hoplessly in love with the yankees. i would rather side with philly and for once ill side with the evil i dont know as well as opposed to the one i do..........im so sick of the god damn yankees!
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Anonymous
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 11:55 AM EDT | Permanent Link
But regardless of whether the Yankees win this year, they're always going to have their 26 (or 27) championships to talk about. Face it, we' re just never going to compete with the Yankees history.
The Phillies are our direct rivals, their players talk trash about the Mets, and they've humiliated us the last 3 years. Every time we play the Phils, we have to hear about their clutchiness and gritiness and how un-Mets they are. If they win again, we’ll never hear the end of it. -Peter Re: Re: Re: Re: Address to Reluctant Mets Fans
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Anonymous
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 12:55 PM EDT | Permanent Link
Yes... but the trash ("choke-artists") that the Phillies spoke about the Mets (THESE Mets) was actually accurate. And they really don't seem like that bad a bunch of guys (except for maybe Utley... and Hamels... and Pedro(!?!)...)
Besides, the Phillies never tried to kill Mike Piazza with a fastball to the forehead. Go, Phils! (except for Utley, Hamels and Pedro...) Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Address to Reluctant Mets Fans
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Anonymous
on Fri 23 Oct 2009 11:15 AM EDT | Permanent Link
Really? You dislike Pedro Martinez more than Shane Victorino and Brett Myers? Really?
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Anonymous
on Fri 23 Oct 2009 11:56 AM EDT | Permanent Link
I think the Mets could use a couple of guys who play the game the way Victorino does.
Yeah, Myers is a douchebag (okay, you can add him to the Utley, Hamels list) but I don't think he's even on the roster. Never liked Pedro, even as a "Los Met" (but don't get me started on that one...) Of course, once we start watching the games, our hearts will probably dictate who we end up rooting for... (though the Angels aren't quite dead yet...) Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Address to Reluctant Mets Fans
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Aaronb Kardon
on Mon 26 Oct 2009 10:29 AM EDT | Permanent Link
What is a shame is that this is a Philly team that plays the game right with many consummate professionals. Guys like Howard, Utley, Lee, Victorino, Ibanez, Lidge, Hamels, etc. It is hard to root against them as players, but as someone who lives 30 minutes away from the NY/Philly dividing rival line, it is just sickening that this team has to exist in that second fiddle, past its prime town!
I mean is there anything more disgusting than a satisfied Philadelphia fan, the city whose greatest athletic hero is fictional? Them repeating would be even worse than the effect 2004 had for those cry baby Red Sox fans despite the fact their Celtics have won 17 championships which is third on the top list for total championships. If this team was in Cleveland, yeah, I would definitely root for them in this series, but uggghhh! Re: Re: Re: Address to Reluctant Mets Fans
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Anonymous
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 12:51 PM EDT | Permanent Link
And I'm sick of the Phillies. And other Mets fans who tell me how to feel... I'm not saying you have to agree with me, but don't tell me I'm not a real fan because I don't agree with you...
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Anonymous
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 12:58 PM EDT | Permanent Link
I really think it's more about the fans.
If you're surrounded by Phillies fans, you'll be inclined to root for the Yankees. If you're surrounded by Yankees fans, you'll be inclined to root for the Phillies (and to stab the Yankee fans who have surrounded you...) Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Address to Reluctant Mets Fans
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Anonymous
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 01:25 PM EDT | Permanent Link
It's definitely about the fans. I live in the heart of Philadelphia, guess who I'm cheering for.
The Red Sox had a great idea, to cheer for two teams, so I will adopt a similar look: the Mets, and whoever plays the Phillies. My pride will accept nothing less. The Yankees simply don't piss me off like the Phils and the Dodgers do. I was already pulling for the AL, no matter the match-up. Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Address to Reluctant Mets Fans
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Anonymous
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 04:49 PM EDT | Permanent Link
i'm from new york, so yeah, im surrounded by yankee fans. but i dont see it the way you do. sure, i hate them, it kills me to think im gonna see a 5th yankees title before i ever see one of my own (i was 2 in '86) but the fact is, at least some of them are my friends. i like quite a few yankees fans. i mean, i know deep down that theyre evil, and if the world was ending and i had limited seating in my spaceship, i probably would fill it with mets fans and leave them all... but here, in this world, they ARE unfortunately my friends. and we ALL have yankee fan friends. and whether or not they win, theyre still gonna be the same douchebags, with their entitlement, and all their other bs. and we're still gonna actually like quite a few of them, as much as we may resent that deep down. on the other hand, i dont know ANYONE who roots for the phils who i wouldnt suckerpunch if nobody was looking. its different. i just hate them more.
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Sic semper trollis. Re: Re: Address to Reluctant Mets Fans
Aw, and I had a snazzy reply, too.
I couldn't tell if that was a Yankee fan or Phillie fan, but I was going to congratulate him for spending even a single, solitary second on a Mets blog in the midst of his hard-earned postseason. Would not have occurred to me to have sought out the fans of a team not involved in the postseason, but I guess we should be flattered the Mets mean that much to him. Go Angels, until no longer possible. Re: Address to Reluctant Mets Fans
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RaceMcCloud
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 12:42 AM EDT | Permanent Link
The only choice here is to pray for is a natural disaster to consume Satan's armies of the diamond, both of the maroon and pinstripe banner. I would rather die than cheer either of these evil gatherings onwards towards victory.
I stand with Angels, sir, no matter how desperate their cause may seem. Re: Re: Address to Reluctant Mets Fans
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Marc R
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 10:05 AM EDT | Permanent Link
Amen
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Anonymous
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 01:06 AM EDT | Permanent Link
I'd rather root for Al qaeda than root for the Yankees or the Phillies.
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I hear you. But Al Qaeda isn't a choice here.
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Maybe I'm growing soft, but I'd take the baseball terrorists over the actual terrorists.
Not without thinking it through first, of course. Re: Re: Re: Re: Address to Reluctant Mets Fans
Come to think of it, this gives me a chance to write The Forbidden Blog Post.
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Marc R
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 10:06 AM EDT | Permanent Link
I have a hard time differentiating the three of them.
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Chris
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 01:24 AM EDT | Permanent Link
Friend, ally, brother. Your words are true and sound. There is a dreadful situation in front of our camp. Yet, we can not join the fight with the men in red so easily. Good sir even though your words come from a good place, i must say they are but folly. To much has transpired between us and them over the coarse of just 3 years. Failure on our part and triumph on theirs. Only to be scorned by it every day from them. It is a thing i do not take lightly. It burns deeply in me and i know it does you. As well as other metropolitan followers.
They are our enemy for now and eternity. I would rather watch the evil from the Eastern shores of our fair city celebrate because it is what they are suppose to do. The dark ones are versed in this battle 26 times over. 1 more could not hurt. No it be a welcome thing against our bitter foe. Our community has struggled against both over 10 long years friends. An epic battle to start this decade hurt us deeply. Still many recover from its wounds. The red have prospered where we have failed recently. A HEART DIVIDED ladies and gentleman. But i implore you, Do not align with those who walk and gather enjoyment from a green demon clothed in red. You will not be able to live with yourself. The blue and orange that flows through your veins will be deceived and it will lead to self destruction. it's an a-bomb....from(cough) a-rod Re: Re: Address to Reluctant Mets Fans
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Dave
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 01:41 AM EDT | Permanent Link
can we still hold out hope for the Angels????? I'm on board w/having to root for the Phillies Cannot have the yankees winning....just cannot
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Inside Pitcher
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 07:20 AM EDT | Profile | Permanent Link
I can't do it Greg. I live among these people, in the part of Central NJ that is the vortex between New York and Philadelphia.
I'm rooting for a meteor. Re: Re: Address to Reluctant Mets Fans
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Inside Pitcher
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 07:21 AM EDT | Profile | Permanent Link
Oops - I meant to say Jace, not Greg.
I wish we had an edit function.... Re: Re: Address to Reluctant Mets Fans
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CharlieH
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 10:05 AM EDT | Profile | Permanent Link
My answer is -- always will be -- "I'm rooting for Global Thermonuclear War."
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Anonymous
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 07:01 PM EDT | Permanent Link
i've been telling everyone "earthquake" myself
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bicyclemom
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 08:17 AM EDT | Profile | Permanent Link
OK, here goes...
"Ich bin ein Ph---- blarrrrrrgh!" Sorry about your shoes. I'll clean that up in November. Re: Address to Reluctant Mets Fans
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metlady516
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 09:14 AM EDT | Profile | Permanent Link
This is my worst nightmare. I change my mind at least ten times a day....
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anonymous
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 09:44 AM EDT | Permanent Link
Phillies fans are just laughing at all of you.
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CharlieH
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 10:04 AM EDT | Profile | Permanent Link
Who cares?
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yoga
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 09:48 AM EDT | Permanent Link
Gotta root for the National League, Yankees or no Yankees. Easy call here.
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Meach
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 09:49 AM EDT | Profile | Permanent Link
i used to root for "braves and yankees.... and then the stadium blows up." these days, i just can't quite get behind it as much.
i'll settle for the ebola virus. Re: Address to Reluctant Mets Fans
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Anonymous
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 09:57 AM EDT | Permanent Link
Sorry dude. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. I hate the Yankees 6 times a year, but I HATE THE phils all year long.
IGGY Re: Address to Reluctant Mets Fans
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Joe D.
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 10:01 AM EDT | Permanent Link
Hi Jason,
Circumstances are a bit different and I find myself supporting (note, that does not mean "rooting") for the pinstripes by default. Under Joe Torre I would have rooted for any oponent to cream them because he poo-pooed regular season subway series games. And there are so many other reasons too: throwing money at under-achievers like Jason Giambi, Kevin Brown, Randy Johnson and other players getting big bucks and just clocking it in; bombarding us with homers like Michael Kay, Suzan Waldman and a less than talented baffoon like John Sterling who stains the legacy of Mel Allen by being called the voice of the Yankees; thinking the World Series was their birthright, etc. But this group at least comes to play. Girardi might be criticized for over-managing but at least he doesn't just make out the line-up and then sit on his pants like Torre who, in close games, allowed his players to just swing away instead of making them play team ball and scratch out a run. Nor is Johnny Damon laughing on the bench anymore when his team is on the verge of losing. Still, this is not enough ammunition to root for anyone who happened to be their opponent. I resent the Phillies even more. Not because they beat us two-years straight (this year, everybody beat us). Jimmy Rollins bragged they were the team to beat in 2007 (doesn't matter that it turned true) when they hadn't yet accomplished anything while we made it to game seven on the NLCS (and they called US arrogant!). In late July, 2008, the Mets were playing an important and emotional series with the Phillies. After Jose Reyes hits a three-run homer, waving his fist in the air while rounding the bases, Phillies radio man Larry Anderson took poke shots saying "somebody oughta put one in his neck." and "he's acting like they just won the world series". This past winter Cole Hammels then called us chokers -- while true, only we can call our guys chokers! That's why I'm more rooting against the Phillies and more or less showing my civic pride by only "supporting" they Yankees. Re: Address to Reluctant Mets Fans
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Anonymous
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 10:02 AM EDT | Permanent Link
I'm a life long Mets fan. I don't see how any NYer can get behind any team from Philly. Have some NY pride! You can pull for CC or Tex or even A-rod. Who on the that other team can you rout for? I hope the Yanks sweep and crush the Phillies.
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kowalski69
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 10:06 AM EDT | Permanent Link
ich bin ein cheesesteak
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Anonymous
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 10:11 AM EDT | Permanent Link
Anyone who can root for the Yankees over the Phillies is a sellout and not a real baseball/sports fan.
I normally would not root for a division rival like the Phillies, Braves or Marlins (Nats aren't really a division rival officially as of yet, since they always stank), but there is something darker than a mere division rival, and that is the Yankees, what they stand for, and what all of their pompous bandwagon lackeys stand for. The Phillies, I can at least respect. I respect a large number of their players. I respect Charlie Manuel. I respect their management and ownership. While I think a large chunk of their fans are obnoxious, I think a decent number of ours are obnoxious too, so I can't fault them for that. The Yankees, on the other hand, is an organization that lives in pure darkness. Evil incarnate. The GM's last name is "cash man". The owners make the Wilpons look like sweethearts. They do everything they can to put themselves on an entirely non-level playing field (laughing at salary cap penalties along the way) and then pat themselves on the back when they make 1-2 World Series appearances in a decade. The Yankees are pure evil. They are made up almost exclusively of mercenaries. They are a team that buys out the best players from any of their rivals (Johnny Damon, CC Sabathia, AJ Burnett, Randy Johnson, Jason Giambi, Reggie Jackson ... and the list goes on forever). They are a team that outspends everyone, leveraging the mere fact that they own a franchise in the wealthiest city, urinating on the concept of parody by mocking the salary luxury tax. They have made a mockery of our sport, and you would root for them over the Phillies? The Phillies are just another team in the National League, a team that conforms to most of the principles of the sport. If you are going to root for the Yankees, then to Hell with you. You are lost. Old Backstop - real baseball fan Re: Re: Address to Reluctant Mets Fans
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Anonymous
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 10:15 AM EDT | Permanent Link
I forgot to add in the part about the announcers. John Sterling ... who actually IS the Devil.
A-Bombs, from A-Rod? A Teix message, you're on the Mark, Teixeira? Yankees Win, Thuh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-YANKEES WIN! Anyone who can root for that alone is someone I do not want to associate with. It takes a lower form of life to support that in any way. -- Old Backstop Re: Re: Re: Address to Reluctant Mets Fans
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Joe D.
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 10:53 AM EDT | Permanent Link
Yankee fans I know can't stand John Sterling either. Many call up the FAN during day games and say they would rather catch updates than listen to him (even his supporter, Mike Francesca, admits Sterling is an entertainer who does not call a good game).
No doubt his notariety is more a negative than a positive with many tuning in waiting to hear him screw up (which dpesn't bother the Yankees since it still means ratings). A ball is high, far and gone no matter if hit in the upper deck or landing three rows into the right field porch. He is so involved with being the entertainer more than a play by play man that a year or so ago he went into his home run routine on a Cabrerra double, even though the ball hit the warning track and the outfielder played it off the wall. He didn't correct himself until after realizing Cabrerra was staying on second and Suzan Waldman had to point out what had actually occured. Re: Re: Address to Reluctant Mets Fans
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Anonymous
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 12:58 PM EDT | Permanent Link
Seriously no disrespect intended, Ol' B'stop, but if you don't have cousins in Philadelphia, then you really don't have the perspective to make this assertion.
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Anonymous
on Fri 23 Oct 2009 10:13 AM EDT | Permanent Link
Yeah, um cause our Mets with the second highest payroll in MLB would never even think about laughing at the salary cap. The fact that we didn't even consider Texieria to replace a 37 year old rapidly aging 1st baseman still disgusts me.
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Anonymous
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 10:14 AM EDT | Permanent Link
I can't help help but think of the eternal smugness of Yankee fans. Living on Long Island Philly fans are rare, go Phils.
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anonymous
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 10:24 AM EDT | Permanent Link
I was just thinking about all of this and seriously, at this point who cares who wins. This post season has been terrible with all the sweeps and uneven matchups. Id enjoy seeing a good series but by Thanksgiving this world series will be a distant memory.
Then again I think all of my energy is going into be depressed about the Mets being crap again next year. Re: Address to Reluctant Mets Fans
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Anonymous
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 10:29 AM EDT | Permanent Link
Being asked to choose between the Yankees and Phillies is like having a choice between gonorrhea and syphilis. Re: Address to Reluctant Mets Fans
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cc
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 10:37 AM EDT | Permanent Link
This is a terrible time, but I agree. You have to hope the Phils beat the Yankees and here is why. First off, the Yankee fan lives among us. They are at our job, they are people on our block, they are on our softball team and worst of all, even in our own family. I dont know any Philly fans and dont ever want to. So if the Phils win, I never have to hear about it everywhere I go. I just will continue to avoid Met/Phils game until the Mets win a title of their own (God knows when that will be) but I cannot live day to day seeing arrogant Yankees fans in every part of my life.
The other reason is that even though I despise the Phils, they do represent the NL East and if the Yanks beat them, it gives the Yankee fan even more fodder to gloat on how they handled the Phils, but we could not. Either way, it is a painful time. Re: Address to Reluctant Mets Fans
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Anonymous
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 10:46 AM EDT | Permanent Link
This is one of the greatest posts ever written on the internet.
While it does suck to support Philly, they are clearly the lesser of 2 evils. Lets face it- what Mets fan cared about Philly before 2007? They were irrelevant. The Yankees, however, have been our face our whole lives. For the last 13 years 80% of NY newspaper back-pages wash their jock-straps. They represent all that is wrong with sports. They are greed, excess, and they flaunt it constantly. Philly, as much as I don't like them, I have to respect their team. They didn't go buy all-stars at every position. They are gritty and blue collar, they have balls and don't back down from anyone. Everything I wish our Mets were. They represent the NL, a league laughed at by most everyone, especially Yankee fans. The Yankees will stroll into the WS thinking they have already won it by beating their nemesis in the much tougher AL. Their fans and the media will be ready to crown them for #27, as will the whole world. The defending champs will not get the respect they deserve, and as we know, they enjoy beating NY. They thrive on being disrespected, and they will beat the Evil Empire. And when they beat that $200 million payroll bunch of all-star mercenaries, in their billion dollar stadium in game 6, I will still be a Mets fan. I still won't like Philly, but I will damn sure respect them. As will every other baseball fan. Cheering for the Yankees is not an option. Never. Under any circumstance. Get me a Cheesesteak. Re: Address to Reluctant Mets Fans
As I said to Greg earlier in the week, while this isn't as bad as it was 10 years ago, it's still like being in Poland in 1939 and having to choose between Hitler and Stalin.
We've been rivals with the Phils for a mere 2 years, and really only have the Mets to blame for that. And I gotta be honest, I personally haven't heard Phillies fans go on and on about their 2008 title (not that it doesn't happen), whereas the Yankees could go another 100 years without winning one and we'd still hear about the ones they won in 1923, 1924, 1927, etc etc etc... I figure they'll get fucking swept, but the hell with it: Go Phillies. Re: Re: Address to Reluctant Mets Fans
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Wally
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 10:52 AM EDT | Profile | Permanent Link
Yes, you've summed it up well
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Paul
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 10:48 AM EDT | Permanent Link
I'm on the same page Jason, we just can't have that team in the Bronx back on top.
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Anonymous
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 10:55 AM EDT | Permanent Link
Here's all you need to know: If the Skanks win, the likes of obnoxious Skankee fans (are there any other kind?) like Mike Fatcessa will be crowing that the Phills came up short when it came time to play the "varsity squad" from NY . . . GO PHILLIES!!!!!!
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Anonymous
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 11:07 AM EDT | Permanent Link
I am a Mets fan who happens to live in Philadelphia...Go Yankees. The fans here are the worst kind of people. Yes, worse than Yankee fans. Trust me. I grew up in NY and it was never so bad as living in Philly. They beat us down the past 3 years and I still get spit on.
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DeludedMetsFan
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 11:08 AM EDT | Profile | Permanent Link
One other reason that I hate the Braves (besides that Stalin came from Georgia) is that in 1996 I was forced to root for the Yankees. It appears I will forever put the Phillies in that category as well.
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Lenny65
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 11:45 AM EDT | Profile | Permanent Link
Back in 1976, before I knew any better, I put my faith in the other NY team. I detested the Big Red Machine and I wanted to see them lose quite badly. The other NY team rewarded me by going down meekly without a fight. My hatred for the other NY team has grown exponentially ever since I made that youthful yet terrible error in judgment.
If the other NY team was playing the Soviet all-stars, I'd wear all red. I'd rather scoop out my own eyes with a melon-baller than root for the other NY team. The Phillies could win 10 WS and not disgust me as much as the other NY team winning one. Re: Address to Reluctant Mets Fans
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Anonymous
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 11:47 AM EDT | Permanent Link
Clearly, you've never lived near Philadelphia nor spent any time in a place, that despite being a very nice city, has one of the sickest, most vile pro-sports culture I've ever seen. They hate us, to an extent that I refuse to support them in anything. Let me give you two examples:
My father is a die-hard Yankee fan. But he worked shiftwork when I was a kid, so I spent every day after kindergarten with my maternal grandmother and grandfather. Grandpa was a Mets fan and I basically followed his lead. As I grew up and headed to junior high, the Mets franchise turned around. I literally grew up with Doc and Darryl and Lenny and Wally. The Mets became my team for life. Never hated the Yankees -- they were dad's team -- but there was just something about Billy Martin, Reggie Jackson and George Steinbrenner that was hard to latch on to. Didn't hate them, didn't actively root against them. They just seemed to lack soul. 95 wins and second place got you booed or fired in the Bronx. In Flushing, it got you a standing ovation. The fans appreciated winning. It was just a much better environment. And my father didn't berate me or try to persuade me to become a Yankee fan. He took me to Shea Stadium. A lot. Even when you knew he'd rather be watching Mattingly than Hernandez, he loaded up the station wagon and sent us off to Flushing. For my sake. Fast forward a few years. It's 1998. The Mets and Phillies have both been in a long period of relative futility (seems to happen a lot). Francona's still managing the Phils, who are led by the likes of Darren Daulton and Rico Brogna. Mike Piazza has been a Met for a week and a half. My future brother-in-law's family, from South Jersey, is coming for their first visit to the house. My uncle and his family -- Mets fans all -- are coming to the barbecue straight from Shea. With them is my aunt's 6-year-old granddaughter, wearing her new Mike Piazza shirt. This is how my brother-in-law's uncle greets said six-year-old, whom he has never met before. Keep in mind, SHE'S A SIX YEAR OLD, and IT'S 1998. "Hi, (insert little girl's name here). We hate the Mets." Tell me why it's my Metly duty to root for the Phils to beat Dad's team again? Re: Re: Address to Reluctant Mets Fans
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Anonymous
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 11:57 AM EDT | Permanent Link
Because all teams have moronic fans, especially NY, Boston and Philly teams. But only one of those teams is truly evil.
Give credit to the Yankees for winning a World Series is like giving credit to George W. Bush for getting into and graduating from Yale. His daddy bought the degree. - Old Backstop Re: Re: Re: Address to Reluctant Mets Fans
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Anonymous
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 12:36 PM EDT | Permanent Link
OK, so here's a question for you, Backstop: Should the Yankees win the World Series this year, will their fans like Broadway holding anti-Mets signs, while the shortstop takes time out from celebrating a championship to talk smack about the Mets? Seem to recall the Phillies doing that last year.
I've lived in the New York area most of my life, within striking distance of Philadelphia for half of it, and I know "evil" when I see it. At least Yankees fans have the 26 championships and years of success to back up their pomposity. And at least they're real baseball fans, who care about their teams all the time. No one in Philly cares about the Phils unless they're winning. And even when I was living there back in '93, all they wanted to talk about on Sports Radio during the midst of a stellar baseball playoff run was Randall Cunningham and Richie Kotite. They're obnoxious, and they're not good baseball fans to boot. As I type this I'm listening to a Phillie fan on WFAN make the argument that Carlos Ruiz is a better offensive player than Jorge Posada, and that Ryan Howard is a better all-around first baseman than Mark Texieria (ever seen him play the field)? In Philadelphia, moronic fans seem to be more rule than exception. Like the two guys who sat in front of my date and I at a game at Citi this September, yelling insults at all the fans in the section around them. Never seen Yankee fans behave like that -- even when I was in Yankee Stadium, in my Mets cap, during a Subway Series game, rooting rather loudly. And as far as I'm concerned, your Dubya metaphor only extends as far as Steinbrenner. Highly-paid teams still have to earn it on the field. We learned that lesson the hard way in '92 and '93. The Mets aren't exactly lacking in the payroll department. If we were Rays or A's fans we could make the argument, but our franchise is one of the haves. Why does hating the Yankees have to be a prerequisite for being a Mets fan? Can't I just be apathetic about them? Phillies fans have given me more reason to hate their team over the years than Yankees fans have. That's all I'm saying. Re: Re: Re: Re: Address to Reluctant Mets Fans
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Paul V.
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 12:46 PM EDT | Permanent Link
Amen to this. Root for Philadelphia? No no no no no no no. You don't feed a growing beast. Hateful, bile-filled fans that won't be satisfied with the title. History has shown us this.
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You've never seen a Yankee fan get obnoxious at a baseball game? What planet are you from?
I wouldn't be so quick to call them real baseball fans either. It might be fair to say the Yanks have just reclaimed their "biggest bandwagon fanbase" title back from the Red Sox. Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Address to Reluctant Mets Fans
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Anonymous
on Fri 23 Oct 2009 12:55 AM EDT | Permanent Link
How much time have you spent in Philly? They're worse than Yankee fans. Yankee fans say things to get a rise out of people. Philly fans (not Phillies fans, mind you, but sports fans from Philadelphia) are really, trully, no kidding that angry. Trust me. I lived there. There's nothing in the world that could make me root for any sports team from that city. Nothing.
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Lenny65
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 12:36 PM EDT | Profile | Permanent Link
Don't get me wrong, pulling for Philly is like pulling for the dentist to hit a live nerve, but it's still better than...them. Satan wears pinstripes with no name on the back. Some things are just irrevocable and absolute and for me this is one of them. "The Captain" (ugh) could be turning double plays while rescuing babies from a burning orphanage and I'll still be rooting against him.
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Kevin from Flushing
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 01:07 PM EDT | Profile | Permanent Link
Can't believe this post is approaching 9/30/07 territory so quickly in regards to the response given.
One thing seems clear from reading this, and it pretty much confirms what I've been thinking all along: if you're a Mets fan in NY, you're probably rooting for the Phillies--but the further south you get, the more and more Yankee fans turn up. None of us want to hear about it when this is over, so we're pretty much all rooting for who we'll hear it from less. Am I wrong? Re: Re: Address to Reluctant Mets Fans
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Anonymous
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 01:12 PM EDT | Permanent Link
I think this is essentially right.
Except, semantically, even we South/Central Jerseyite Met fan Philliephobes would object to even the temporary designation "Yankee fans." Re: Re: Address to Reluctant Mets Fans
Yep, that feels right to me as well. And very nicely put.
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Anonymous
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 01:09 PM EDT | Permanent Link
Think of it this way, Jason (and anyone else ready to Ichbin themselves to the Phillies):
Would the baseball compartment of your soul really have felt warmer these past dozen years if the Braves had won the '96 and '99 Series? -Z Re: Re: Address to Reluctant Mets Fans
Speaking for myself, yes.
Which isn't to say the baseball compartment of my soul would have been warm -- just warmer. As in a few degrees warmer than the absolute zero of Yankee hegemony. Re: Re: Re: Address to Reluctant Mets Fans
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dgwphotography
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 01:52 PM EDT | Permanent Link
It's simple - I look at the Phillies as a team I would love to root for if they wore the Blue and Orange.
The MFY's always have and always will represent all that is wrong and evil with baseball. it's fitting that the first DH on record was a Yankee... Re: Re: Address to Reluctant Mets Fans
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Anonymous
on Fri 23 Oct 2009 02:46 PM EDT | Permanent Link
Absolutely.
In fact, my regret over rooting for the Yankees in 1999 is a key driver of my decision to root for the Phillies this year. Today, who really cares about the Braves? Likewise, this rivalry with the Phillies is a relatively new and likely short-lived phenomenon in comparison with the eternal rivalry that we will have with the devil in our own city. Re: Address to Reluctant Mets Fans
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Anonymous
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 01:23 PM EDT | Permanent Link
I'm with ya, we've been hating the yanks a lot longer than hating the phils...its the lesser of the two evils....
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Anonymous
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 01:51 PM EDT | Permanent Link
Think about the Phillies fans invading Citi Field next year wearing "Back to Back" T-shirts and hats. I cannot and will not root for that. Let's go Yankees (I just died on the inside a little
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Anonymous
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 01:53 PM EDT | Permanent Link
I have, myself, full confidence that if all do their duty, if nothing is neglected, and if the best arrangements are made, as they are being made, we shall prove ourselves once again able to defend our Flushing, Queens home, to ride out the storm of war, and to outlive the menace of tyranny, if necessary for years, if necessary alone. At any rate, that is what we are going to try to do. That is the resolve of all real New York Mets fans-every man and woman of them. That is the will of Mookie and the entire Met’s nation. The National League and the American League save but one Evil Empire, linked together in their cause and in their need, will defend to the death their World Series Championship, aiding each other like good comrades to the utmost of their strength. Even though large tracts of the AL and many old and famous NL teams have fallen or may fall into the grip of the Gestapo....aka The New York Yankees Baseball Club and all the odious apparatus of Steinbrenner rule, we shall not flag or fail. We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in New York, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight in Philadelphia, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our honor, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills, we shall fight in Citizens Bank Park, we shall fight in the unholy blight that is The Bronx; we shall never surrender, and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, this Championship were subjugated and stolen, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the ghosts of Hernandez, Jessie and The Kid would carry on the struggle, until, in God's good time, the New York Metropolitans, with all their power and might, step forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old.
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Anonymous
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 01:54 PM EDT | Permanent Link
Hawaiian braggadocio?
I admire the Phillies, they remind me a bit of our '86 team. This is a franchise long in the wilderness and even few years ago every sports page called for the manager's head. But hey have put it together, slowly and without giving up. I wish we were the Phillies. Re: Re: Address to Reluctant Mets Fans
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Anonymous
on Fri 23 Oct 2009 12:59 AM EDT | Permanent Link
The '86 Mets would never have complained to the press about other teams celebrating too much. They'd have taken their anger out on the other team, on the field.
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Made in the Shea-de
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 02:10 PM EDT | Profile | Permanent Link
I live in NY. And I've hated the Yankees for as long as I can remember. But I can't understand any Mets fan who is rooting for Philly. The Yankee fans will taunt us all winter long anyway; the only difference will be the number attached to the taunt. Meanwhile, should Philly win, they will have 3 WCs and a repeat -- neither of which our Mets can boast of.
Also, I think someone already mentioned this above, but look at the actual players this season. These are not the 1996-2000 Yankees. There are way more douchebags on the Phillies. Anything less than a humiliating four-game sweep by the Bronx Bummers will be too good for our "friends" to the south. Of course, I wouldn't mind it if Cano drops a potentially game-ending pop-up in the process. This is so much worse than ATL-NYY was. Re: Re: Address to Reluctant Mets Fans
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Anonymous
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 03:36 PM EDT | Permanent Link
Seconded.
- Z Re: Address to Reluctant Mets Fans
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Anonymous
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 02:38 PM EDT | Permanent Link
who cares if the yankees throw another trophy on the pile?
this is our hated rivals. for them to win another world series, back to back is the worst thing that could happen to us mets fans. if you can't see that, you are not a mets fan. you are a yankee hater. i will root for the yanks to beat the phils, and beat them badly. embarass them. bash their pitching, bllow up citizens bank park. i got news for you, the yankee fans are going to make fun of us mets fans until we win 27 championships, even if they lose this one to the phillies. Re: Re: Address to Reluctant Mets Fans
I'm a Mets fan and a Yankee hater.
Besides, the Phillies have been our hated rivals for, what, about three years? Before that it was the Braves. Before that it was (briefly) the Pirates, and before that the Cardinals, and before that the Cubs. Now I don't really hate any of those teams, though of course I want them to lose when we play them. When the Phillies return to their usual surly mediocrity (please let it be soon), I'll stop hating them and hate the Marlins or the Nats or whoever else is threatening us. This is transitory, you're-in-my-way hate. But the Yankees? I've hated them for every single day of my baseball-fan life. They are the opposite of what we are. Where they're concerned, the hate is existential. Re: Re: Re: Address to Reluctant Mets Fans
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never give up guy
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 04:14 PM EDT | Permanent Link
yes but st. louis' fans are genteel and grandfatherly, chicago is a million miles away, pittsburgh... come on. there's even 500 miles between us and the braves (with their 60% capacity playoff-run attendance figures).
but philadelphia... my god. there is nothing on the face of the earth worse than a philadelphia sports fan. mean. smelly. dumb. nasty. insecure. smelly. violent. smelly. and CLOSE. they need only 45 minutes to ooze up 95 and take over citi field ON THE DAY WE CELEBRATE '69 (it had to be some sort of work release program). ive argued that this new mets/phils rivalry has the capactity to become more spirited than the yankee/sox one (minus their legions of bandwagon fans). because these fanbases genuinely do not like eachother. HATE eachother in fact. they are our rival in our backyard... in our league... in our division. they cannot be supported by anyone who claims any allegiance to the blue and orange. i know thats declarative and this decision is near impossible. but its got to be one of the better mets/ny sports debates of my life. wow i Re: Re: Re: Address to Reluctant Mets Fans
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Anonymous
on Fri 23 Oct 2009 01:09 AM EDT | Permanent Link
It's not about the team, Jason. It's about the fans. Ever been hit by a Yankee fan? My brother-in-law's 6-foot-tall buddy was all that stopped that from happening to me in Philadelphia.
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Anonymous
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 02:48 PM EDT | Permanent Link
Or, just "Ich."
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Guy Kipp
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 02:54 PM EDT | Permanent Link
I understand all the bile directed at both organizations very well. But, for me, and, I think, for a lot us us, rooting is not a "decision." It is an organic process. I don't know who I'll be rooting against more until the games actually start and my emotions--not my decisions--take over.
Isn't that how we became Met fans in the first place? It wasn't a decision. Yankee fans may have decided to become Yankee fans, but for most Met fans, this is who we are, not a decision we made. Re: Re: Address to Reluctant Mets Fans
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dannyjwkim
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 07:05 PM EDT | Profile | Permanent Link
bravo. i kno exactly what u mean. well-said.
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Anonymous
on Fri 23 Oct 2009 01:03 AM EDT | Permanent Link
Nah, I pretty much chose to root for the Mets. My family is split down the middle. I could have gone either way. And despite the last three years, no regrets. There's something about the Yankee "mystique" and mentality that just sucks all the joy out of the game. The highs never seem high to Yankee fans, and that's no way to live.
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A friend at work pointed out how funny it is to see how upset and flabbergasted a Yankee fan gets when you say you're rooting for the Phillies.
And their cry for affection is always, "but I'd root for the Mets against the Red Sox!" Of course they would, but Yanks/Phils is not like Mets/Sox. It's more like Mets/Rays. And if it were Mets/Rays, the some Yankee fans will be split, but most would say, "World Series? Without the Yankees, why would should I watch? They should just cancel it." Re: Re: Address to Reluctant Mets Fans
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CharlieH
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 04:38 PM EDT | Profile | Permanent Link
In '86, my cousin -- Yankee fan -- rooted for the Red Sox.
And was quite proud to tell me so. Re: Address to Reluctant Mets Fans
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Anonymous
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 04:40 PM EDT | Permanent Link
Being a Mets fan not old enough(18) to have seen my team win a world series it sickens me to hear other fans talk about the titles they have seen their teams one. So naturally there were no fans I hated more growing up in nyc then Yankee fans and had always thought I would never root for the dark side, but in attending University of Delaware for what has amounted to about 2 months I have grown to hate Phillies fans more then anything. When the Yankees boast atleast they have reasons for it with 26(soon to be 27) titles, and the Phillies don't, although are just as bad. It pains me to say it, but from now until the world series ends, hopefully in 4 games whoever wins, lets go Yankees...and hopefully I never have to utter those words again.
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Anonymous
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 04:50 PM EDT | Permanent Link
I will not "root" for either (is their some way that neither team can win?
But, living 15 minutes from CBP, I am surrounded by idiot Philly fans, and cam really tired of not being able to watch the local news! SO, lesser of 2 evils, to me, is the Yankees. But, no matter who wins, I want it to be a sweep, and a blowout series. Get it over with sooner, and at least 1 team wil lbe embarrassed! Re: Address to Reluctant Mets Fans
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Tom in Sunnyside
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 07:50 PM EDT | Permanent Link
If we do get a Phillies - Yankees WS, the only way you'll catch my interest is if you guarantee me that instead of the 7th inning stretch the two sides have bench clearing brawls that dwarf the fight in "Anchorman: The Ron Burgundy Story".
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mikeski
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 09:38 PM EDT | Profile | Permanent Link
I read the post this morning and have been checking the comments all day, considering the various points of view, and have decided that, for me, it comes down to one determinative factor:
Shane MotherPhucking Pricktorino. I want to see him cry, and since we can't seem to make it happen, I am willing to hold my nose and, at least, not root against an entity that can. Re: Address to Reluctant Mets Fans
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Anonymous
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 10:11 PM EDT | Permanent Link
I'm a Phillies fan (sorry) who discovered this blog about a year ago. I drop by occasionally to see if anything interesting is brewing, mainly just because the writing is so good. Just wanted to say I think this might be the best article I've ever read. I read it three times today, and it got better every time. Never thought I could become so fond of a piece of writing that refers to me as a member of a yowling maroon rabble, but there it is. You win the Internet, sir.
I'm not sure why I like it so much, but I think it's probably because it captures the evil that is the Yankees so well. Because, I mean, really. Alright. I know my opinion is less than worthless in this discussion, but c'mon. You're gonna root for the Yankees?! I would root for you!! OK, I'll show myself out. P.S. What's the deal with Shane Victorino? I'm honestly curious. What's so bad about him? Re: Re: Address to Reluctant Mets Fans
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Joamiq
on Fri 23 Oct 2009 02:46 AM EDT | Profile | Permanent Link
a) he's a jerk
b) he's the prime example of the kind of player the media worships as being "gritty", the kind of guy the Mets are supposedly lacking, when in reality he screws up just as much as any other ballplayer, and to the extent that he's good it's because he has talent, not because he possess some mystical intangibles Re: Re: Re: Address to Reluctant Mets Fans
If Victorino were a Met he would magically be passionate and headstrong and indomitable and lots of other things. He'd be Lenny Dykstra, in other words.
He's the kind of guy you love on your own team and hate on everybody else's, in other words. But since he's not on ours, he's the devil. Phillie fan, thanks for stopping by and joining in. That was well put. Re: Re: Re: Re: Address to Reluctant Mets Fans
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mikeski
on Fri 23 Oct 2009 08:01 AM EDT | Profile | Permanent Link
Also,the blatant hypocrisy. He's one of the leading whiners about alleged Met transgressions (Reyes' "overcelebrating", etc.), while at the same time, standing on home plate for 5 seconds and pointing at the sky when he scores a run.
So, in conclusion, fuck him. Re: Re: Re: Re: Address to Reluctant Mets Fans
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Anonymous
on Fri 23 Oct 2009 10:27 AM EDT | Permanent Link
Well at least the Phillie fan was smart enough to fluff you.. That was very cordial of you to thank him.
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CptnSpldng
on Thu 22 Oct 2009 10:19 PM EDT | Profile | Permanent Link
Ladies and gentlemen,
I come before you this evening as an avid Philadelphia fan. First, let me take a brief moment to earnestly compliment Jason and Greg for providing a truly literate and eminently readable blog which does credit to the Mets and baseball fandom in general. I have read well-reasoned and passionate arguments on both sides of the issue. There are those whose hate for whatever team (Skanks or Philthies) burns with the white-hot heat of a thousand suns and no argument will persuade them to abandon their opposition. In the realm of fandon, this is well and good. Retain your love of the Mets and cheer against us or cheer against our temporary opposition OR say "Baseball? What baseball?" until pitchers and catchers report. Just do not make the error of cheering FOR us (or for the Skanks); that will only serve to confuse you. Remember, this postseason is fleeting and transitory. In less than six months, things will revert to their natural order and we can go about the business of despising each other while secretly wishing that the best players of the opposition were wearing our home team's uniforms. (And trust me, some day you too will again have players who qualify as 'best.') Thank you for this opportunity to speak to you. Feel free to deride me as may be be your wont. Here endeth the lesson. Re: Re: Address to Reluctant Mets Fans
No derision, that's good advice. Thanks for stopping by.
Believe me, one nano-second after the Phillies defeat the Yankees, I will hate them again. And if the Angels somehow survive, there will be no moral quandary whatsoever. Re: Address to Reluctant Mets Fans
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MSUlaxer27
on Fri 23 Oct 2009 10:04 AM EDT | Permanent Link
I visit the site regularly. In fact it's a bookmark on my firefox toolbar right between Craigslist and ESPN. It's taken me a day to write this so it (hopefully) won't come off as a screed. I don't really agree with (and maybe this is more directed at Greg) a lot of the view points on the site...The treacly hatred of the Yankees (when the Mets play the Yankees 7 times out of 15 years in the WS then we will have a real rivalry with them not the contrived rivalry that bud has "created" through interleague), the "love" of a Giants team that deserted the city, the use of 42 on your shirts (isn't it awesome that the signature section of the Mets new ballpark is dedicated to a man who never wore there uniform for even a single day. Awesome. Awesome, Awesome). I usually post anonymously, but today I won't. I feel this strongly (and regularly post at baseball fever as "MSUlaxer27").
Here goes: I'm not one to tell anybody how to define their fandom. You like who you like, you follow who you follow. However, if you even consider for a second rooting for the Phillies, no matter who they play in the WS...turn in your Mets hat. I can not even articulate how much I hate the Phillies...doesn't matter if they are good or bad. They are always ugly. The city they play in is a pit. Their fans are quite frankly the worst in the nation (I've worn a bears jersey to a lions/bears game and sat in the upper deck at the silverdome on Thanksgiving(just because), I've won an Islanders jersey in the blue seats and survived...I won't even consider wearing any Mets paraphernalia in the city of Philadelphia, ever). We were better than them in 2007 for sure (Thanks Tommy!, Glad we paid you all that money to win a big game!) We probably were better than them last year...(we beat them 11 of the 18 times we faced them. Thanks bullpen!) Seriously. if you consider rooting for the Phillies...it doesn't make you a bad human being. This is just sports. But I seriously will question your Met bonifides for the rest of my life, the Yankees suck to be sure but they still play in NYC (in, no matter how much bud would like us to forget it, another LEAGUE). Philadelphia is Philadelphia...a dirty, ugly city full of angry people who have a chip on their shoulders and hate (wait) HATE New York. I will never, never , NEVER ever root for Philadelphia in anything. I know you love the Mets. I don't doubt that for a second. Please make the right choice. Re: Re: Address to Reluctant Mets Fans
Ah, screed away. It's part of being a fan.
I think it comes down to a point made up higher: What we really hate are other teams' fans. Given a horrible choice like this year's potential WS (though GO ANGELS!), most of us seem to root against the team whose fans offend us more. I find a lot of Phillie fans repulsive. (I know some wonderful ones; frankly the usual Phillie fans scare them too.) But I don't deal with Phillie fans very often. And the Phillies have been our rivals for just three years -- before that we barely thought of them at all. I hope we get back to that soonest -- both because it would mean the Phillies were mediocre again and because there's nothing more infuriating than having the people you hate be baffled by that hatred, because they really don't think about you much. Yankee fans, on the other hand, have been the bane of my existence for my entire sports life. I grew up when the Yankees had just become relevant again, Steinbrenner was in full bloom and they'd embarked on their first run of buying championships -- the exact period in which the Mets committed suicide and became the North Korea of the free-agent era. Long Island was full of dirtbag front-running Yankee brats, and the idea that someone might root for the lowly Mets or think Lee Mazzilli was a good player was hilarious to them. They tormented me and the other free-thinkers daily, and all I could do was hope and pray that one day my crappy team would magically stop being crappy and the Yankees' World Series pass would be revoked and it would finally be their turn to eat shit. Today, living in New York, I see those braying assholes every day, all grown up but exactly the same, swaggering and woofing and boasting about rings (baby). The idea of another celebration for them fills me with absolute loathing. The Phillies winning again? It would suck, and so would seeing Phillie fans setting fire to more things than is typical and upping the usual level of recreational domestic violence by way of celebration and trooping into Citi Field next year in triumph. But it would be far away most of the time, and with a little luck the team will fall on bad times and go back to being the Washington Nationals North. Yankee fans? I gotta live with them every day, and I can't stand them and want them to suffer -- at all costs. BTW, the 42's on the shirt because it's on the wall. I don't mind it being there, but it's a reflection of the reality, not an endorsement of Dodgermania. Re: Address to Reluctant Mets Fans
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YanksFan
on Fri 23 Oct 2009 11:15 AM EDT | Permanent Link
Yankees fan here. I'd just like to point out that most Yankees fans would cheer for the Mets any day over the Red Sox, or nearly any other AL team. Any day.
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Guy Kipp
on Fri 23 Oct 2009 12:54 PM EDT | Permanent Link
Most Yankee fans I knew rooted for the Red Sox in 1986.
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Anonymous
on Mon 26 Oct 2009 05:18 PM EDT | Permanent Link
I bring that up ..ALOT!!! and they all say "Yeah, you're right, I DID root for the Sox". So...F..them....
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Anonymous
on Sat 24 Oct 2009 11:53 AM EDT | Permanent Link
First off, let me compliment Jason on the most literate tome I have ever read from a Mets Fan.
Although I understand that yuz guys have unwillingly arrived at Morton’s Fork there is really no other choice but to form a NL column alongside the Fightn Phils against the vilest of all. This choice should be made with the knowledge that all who have fallen victim of our pine swords have come to realize; they have been slayed by the most noble, virtuous and gallant of our time. We are heroic yet humble, competent not arrogant. We are not mercenaries who fight for treasure; we fight for our tribe and pride of place. Our hearts are compassionate and even offer homeless Pedros a chance at redemption. Join us, even reluctantly, and you will feel the power and the glory as we march together to do battle to avenge the massacre of our red pinstriped Whiz’s of ‘50, Those that make the righteous choice will be rewarded with the satisfaction that together we have slain the Devil himself. Fate has smiled upon us as the enemy of all enemies, the darkest of all evils is now in sight, and we are strong, we are willing, we are the World Champion Phillies. Re: Address to Reluctant Mets Fans
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Anonymous
on Mon 26 Oct 2009 01:21 PM EDT | Permanent Link
I dislike the Phillies, but they're 2 hours down the turnpike so it's a case of "out of sight, out of mind" regarding any celebrations they will have if they win. But the Damned Yankees will be parading a mere two blocks from where I work, and the thought is just too unpleasant.
Besides, as a Met fan, I remember a time when the rivalry wasn't so intense. And in the maning months of my marriage, I fondly recall driving down to now-gone Veteran's Stadium to watch the Phillies play (a good excuse to be out of the house for 12 hours at a time!). And right after the game, taking a short drive to a nearby club, where I ended up meeting my post-marital-breakup girlfriend for the first time, at Cheerleaders Cabaret! So while I'm not exactly sentimental about the Phillies, they were the cause of some really great memories for me that had nothing to do with baseball!!! So, uh, Go Phillies... kinda.. Re: Address to Reluctant Mets Fans
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Tom in Sunnyside
on Wed 28 Oct 2009 11:21 PM EDT | Permanent Link
After much careful deliberation and anguished soul searching, I've decided which team behind whom I shall place my support in the World Series. It came to me suddenly while watching this first game, and realizing why I was enjoying it:
I am rooting for the visiting team. In complete game shutouts. In under three hours for each game. It is simply too much fun watching the fans in Yankee Stadium grumbling restlessly as Cliff Lee rolls over the home team like they were Little League-rs. I'd like a few more games of that, please. Schadenfreude is a dish best served cold. I want the Phillie to dismember the Yankees again in Game Two. ESPECIALLY Game Two. I want Pedro to show the Yankees he's still their daddy. The wailing and gnashing of teeth in Yankee Universe will be epic. Then, when the Series shifts to Philadelphia and the locals are in their cups over a sweep at home, the Yankees return the favor and light up that bandbox called Citizens Bank Park for three games. So things return to The Bronx for Game Six, with all put back right, in the eyes of Yankee fans and Mike Francesa. The Yankees ready to hoist another banner, once again coming back from an 0-2 hole to sweep. But the Phillies put an end to that an easily send it to Game Seven. Now here is where I have my dilemma: Someone has to win Game Seven, and thus win the World Series. Keeping with my visiting team fandom, that means rooting for the Phillies. Yes, but now I add a little twist to make it more interesting for the disinterested, and harrowing for those with a dog in the fight: Game Seven is delayed constantly by rain delays, played over three nights and seventeen innings. Bud Selig finally moves the rest of Game Seven to Milwaukee, like that Cubs-Astros game. Pitchers for both teams get rocked, but neither team has a lead at the end of the ninth or any subsequent inning. Arms are falling off these guys, and at long last, 55 hours after the first pitch has been thrown, Joe Girardi is forced to pitch Nick Swisher, who promptly walks pinch hitter Pedro Martinez with the bases loaded. Milwaukee fans go home happy they saw a World Series game in person, Yankee fans are stunned, and even the winning Phillies are too exhausted and bewildered to celebrate. Now THAT is a World Series I can get behind as a Met fan. Re: Re: Address to Reluctant Mets Fans
I think Tom wins the Internet. Best answer I've heard yet.
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Tom in Sunnyside
on Thu 29 Oct 2009 10:41 AM EDT | Permanent Link
The whole Internet? Cool! Let me clean some room out in my closet.
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To the fellow who wrote:
"NOPE!" in gigantic letters and followed it with "The solution is to watch hockey." If you haven't left to watch hockey, we appreciate the sentiment (as we appreciate all the sentiments here) but your NOPE! was way too big and throwing off the margins of the post and all the other comments. You're welcome to post here, but please don't overdo the character size, even if it is for emphasis. Also, your Photobucket image, whatever it was, didn't show up, so please just stick to text until further notice. Thank you. |

